It appears Michael Vick may serve time and possibly see his football career end if he takes a plea deal in the federal dog-fighting case. People are in an uproar and, if he's guilty, he should have to pay a cost. But…
...where is the similar outrage over those who are guilty of domestic abuse, rape, assault or battery of another human being?
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I think the outrage is how
I think the outrage is how the media is handling his situation. Justice should be served FAIRLY. I think he is being made an example of.
1.) Not anybody I've heard expressing outrage is a vegetarian (I have avoided harming animals via food, clothing, etc for years). When I lived in Alabama, there was dog fighting (and worse): I objected, but wouldn't make a media spectacle of. There's worse things going on (see #3).
2.) What about all the hunting? There's frequent hunting shows on TV. It is common that politicians and corporate leaders brag about their sports involving killing animals. This is a sport (form of entertainment), not a means of survival for these people.
3.) Why is it that this got so much attention (and the dogs so much empathy), but not the 3 young people killed execution style in NJ (plus one who survived)? On an MSN news article, the comments on the bottom sometimes blamed the victims and families themselves! That outrages me.
I would just like to
I would just like to acknowledge the courage and strength that Mr. Vick spoke with after his court hearing. He did today what Antonio Gonzalez and many others (not all) men cannot muster up the courage to do at all, told the truth, and I am so proud of him. Truth is the beginning of understanding that surpasses all human intellect. Mr. Vick in my view has began his road of redemption for himself, and what his statement represented today was the hope for many young men in our communities especially between the ages of 17-34 who are struggling with the truth about life and love. Today he is free; I see a bright future ahead for Mr. Vick if he remains committed to the truth and his faith, I pray that I will, he will and we all will.
Peace be with you
Like Mark Sheldon, I too am
Like Mark Sheldon, I too am amazed at the comments that have been posted, but I do respect your opinions. Let's not kid ourselves; cruelty is the issue and dog fighting is illegal. It's just unfortunate that the target in this case is a high profile black professional athlete. The larger issue is that Mike will have to consider how his actions will affect him and his family for years to come. He's facing federal time. Football will continue to be exciting. There will be other players who are far superior in talent. Let's concentrate on how we as a people can eliminate the evils within our society and help brothas like Mike Vick re-enter society as productive members of our communities.
What Vick did was wrong! He
What Vick did was wrong! He did a crime and should pay for that crime. The issue here is not the fact he did the crime and is being punished, it's the fact that he is an African American with a status level that affects how people view him. He more than anybody should know that what could be overlooked or never brought to light about our Caucasian counterparts, will be magnified because he is a black man in America. Integrity, character and a level of responsibility is in order for our African American men who are spotlighted or given a level of prestige. Vick didn't create dogfighting, he didn't create the pit bull, but he participated in something that was illegal and immoral. I pray that he would learn from this situation and grow as an individual. We as a people can grow and restore our brother when he finishes paying for his crime.
I am pretty amazed at the
I am pretty amazed at the comments here. It is not an either/or situation. People with whom I associate react strongly to cruelty against human beings, and they react strongly to cruelty against animals. Cruelty is the issue. Whether that cruelty is carried out by a person of one ethnic or racial group or another makes no difference. There have been very serious repercussions for anyone who engages in dog fighting and animal abuse. Such actions constitute felonies. It is the law, not prejudice. These animals are not born to fight, they are cruelly trained to fight. What Vick is wrong, and he should be punished. The issue with his being able to play football in the future relates to his gambling. Pete Rose (white) will never be in the hall of fame.
I repent. I can see Vick's
I repent. I can see Vick's remorse . I hope in the future he gets new friends...
I respect the fact that God
I respect the fact that God does call his people to a higher calling and within that calling we do fall short. Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Mahatma Ghandi, and Shirley Chisholm fell short of the calling. We may never know their shortcomings but I'm pretty sure friends/family would testify differently. I respect a man/woman who stand firm in their calling. But believe me I try everyday to walk in that calling and at times I fall short. I don't intend to but I do. I don't go to bed every night with a clean record a good Samaritan record. Sometimes I have to repent of things I might have said or done during that day...but with all that is within me I try.
People by nature have extremist standards that challenges a man's ability to cope with his mistakes. He may want to tell the truth but sixteen thousand judges have already convicted him. There are far too many judges against the blk man than any other man on earth. So yes my heart is soften towards them.
People are naturally cruel and mean-spirited when one falls short of the glory. People start pulling out their judgment books of condemnation-handing down harsh sentences-causing riots in the streets and why? Because we are people without compassion and love for each other..We are stone throwers who find pleasure in seeking the demise of one another-until our hands are caught in that same cookie jar.. Ask Former President Clinton about his stone throwers.. We can be Cruel...Indeed we can. Higher Standards are excellent to walk in and I wish everyone could walk the walk. But for those of us who walk in high standards and we fall along the way- I just hope I don't have the teethless town hall judges and stone throwers there hovering over me. Let it be a man/woman with a compassionate heart-who would give me a living break. I know sometimes when I'm harsh (and I can be when it comes to issues that I'm compassionate about) I become aggressively concerned) throwing humility out the door. But when the day has come to an halt and night overshadows the day ....
I do believe that the
I do believe that the treatment of Vick is heavy-handed. I don't believe that he should be banned from playing the game but that a reprimand is in order.
Bad behavior should never be encouraged and the league has a right to discipline its players.
I believe that it is in the best interest of anyone in the limelight to be careful about the activities in which they participate knowing that what they do can and will come back to haunt them one day.
To this day I have a great degree of respect for Michael Jordan. He carried himself with a level of integrity that has yet to be duplicated by any professional athlete of late while he played in the NBA. He was aware that the world was watching and most importantly was thankful for the opportunity to fulfill his dream therefore he was careful and respectful of the game and the fans.
It’s obvious you are
It’s obvious you are passionate about the fate and discourse of black folk, and for this I sincerely embrace your opinions. Respectfully, we all can use character and conduct adjustments in life from time to time, this serves to improve the human condition. I also humbly submit that our creator calls us to a higher standard although it is a goal that we will never obtain in this life, we all fall short of the mark, however that should not prevent us from the attempt.
Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Nelson Mandela, Mahatma Ghandi, and Shirley Chisolm, among others, are all individuals I admire for answering to a higher standard of behavior. Their choice in doing so had everything to do with who they woke up each day and decided they were going to be, irrespective of the nay sayers who come from every culture, Asian, African, European, African American etc....
To be sure, my greatest inspiration in trying to live my life with sense of integrity and honor is a man they called "The Prince of Peace", I believe that it was his desire that I am rise above the world’s standard of behavior, pick up my cross and follow him. I'm not a Theology expert, but I do have a bit of experience in love and faith department, and so, I pray that heaven help us all to be better, not bitter. I pray that we face consequences with dignity for our transgressions when warranted, as you so pointed out, this is one of the ways we learn to be better.
I also pray that we learn from other's actions, wherein we can avoid the pain of wrong choices or show we are grateful in receiving reward for the right choices. Finally, I pray that we come into the understanding of what it really means to love: it’s sacrifice, it’s humility, it’s chastising, and it gives more than it asks for.
Hopefully, I will take peace to eternity with me in knowing that I honestly attempted to live up to these principles.
Peace be with you
This is a travesty. Yes,
This is a travesty. Yes, cruelty to animals is wrong but cruelty to human beings seems to matter less. Vick is a victim of a discriminatory practice which plagues successful black males. (Racism)
The same dogs which chased, hunted and killed slaves, now have more rights than the slaves who were freed human beings.
Unfortunately, contracts are slave papers which finally chain you up for life when any portion of the agreement is seemingly violated according to the slave master's will.
Looks like some Black
Looks like some Black Americans have given up their God-given rights in exchange for partial rights as a human being. How do we justify being extra careful twice as good than whites. Give me a living break! Even though we fight the system every day for justice, our kids/adults are allowed to make mistakes as others do.
To say Michael Vick is not allowed mistakes is ridiculous and far fetched. Michael is a young Black male in search of himself; this will not be the last mistake he will make (judges). Unfortunately life, even for the smartest man, has obstacles that will eventually blindside or as my grandmother would say sidetrack you. Michael is a young man with lots of money. Who among us at his age lived a sacred (without mistakes) life.
When we are young-who follows rules? Not too many. So judges, Michael Vick like many of us has/will make mistakes for years to come. No one is without sin. I can remember as a kid young boys got a pleasure out of torturing cats with firecrackers; does that make it right...No; but we are talking about kids doing child-like things and in Vick's case a young man doing what young men do. Most males get a pleasure out of killing/seeing bloodshed. Something about that scenario boosts the adrenalin in men.
I totally don't agree with the Black Community accepting the notion that we must do things far greater than others so that we can be accepted-just listen to that statement; it says to me we are compromising on who we are as a person/people. We still need to erase some of our thinking. We may have to fight for equal justice but I be darn if I speak words against my beliefs.
Life and Death are in the tongue and those who love eat shall eat of it. If we speak things into the Universe-the Universe gives you in return what you speak. I may sound to some people as unrealistic about life but when you truly believe in God some things you just will not accept and I won't accept that this is a White man's world-the bible says, The earth is the Lords-and the Lord gave dominion to men all men so where in Oz are we standing.
To say we should hold ourselves to higher standards is against nature. Our kids/adults were predestined by God and in that moment (format) God forknew all our mistakes. So if God forknew our mistakes, who gives man the authority to erase God's plan to forbid one's mistakes. God allows mistakes and he also forgives. Does God put more on us than we can bear? No. Then why are we accepting the fact that we should be extremist in all we do? This is unscrutable.
I need to ask this question before I exit...Are we searching for worth through the eyes of prejudice? Because if we are-prejudice has no conscience of right or justice. It sees nothing in harmony nor will it accept unity. So to spend a lifetime befriending prejudice renders no good harvest. Let's move forward and allow ourselves to be human -Free to Grow-Free to make mistakes. After all, mistakes makes us grow in wisdom. Let's not expect our kids/adults to be more than God has allowed...
We as black people are growing weary and in doing so we are forgetting to hold fast to the word of God. The only thing we see is what's happening in our world and we are losing hope of the promise. People mock believers and call us stupid but one thing is for sure Tavis the Covenant With Black America is a movement that will supercede against anyone's thoughts. I believe that things will change if we hold fast. It takes work but it will happen. Nothing belongs to anyone. We are borrowing all that we have. So what are superficial holdings? Can we take this superficial power to eternity-whether its hell or heaven? Can we use it there? Just questions we must ask ourselves..
We live in a plutocratic
We live in a plutocratic society, with plural systems of justice in America, one for the majority, another for the rich, and then one for people of color. There certainly should be more of a public outrage about crime against humanity, including animals, and the disparities that exist in our judicial system. One way to help remedy this imbalance is to remove judges who do not enforce the law across the spectrum. That means mobilizing judicial oversight committees in our communities and holding judges accountable.
As for Mr. Vick, if he is guilty of the allegations proposed, he is not a victim, he wrote his own ticket to federal prison. Shouldn’t the black community know better by now? Do we really expect justice in America to be applied equitably when we are charged with high crimes and misdemeanors? Armed with this truth, you would think that people of color would by any means necessary avoid engaging in criminal activity.
Furthermore, we should hold ourselves to a higher standard of conduct, not primarily to avoid the criminal justice system, but because it is simply the right thing to do. There are probably a host of factors that motivate people to violate the sanctity of life, and upon further examination I’m sure we would find Mr. Vick has his reasons, temptation, demons, etc…
I am empathetic toward this young man’s plight, but appalled with his behavior, I hope that he will come to a resolution that he must change his actions and participate in activities that honor life. Without a doubt, we are all fallible and fall short on occasion. Personally I am grateful that I have been given second chances. This young man should be allowed to return to his craft and redeem himself. He has this moment and a lifetime ahead of him to do so.
Focat, look on Tavis's home page for the Jena six story, Tavis also covered this story on his PRI broadcast, check the archives, then write your congressional representatives in protest.
Mr. Smiley thanks for the
Mr. Smiley thanks for the opportunity to post these comments.
The question is where is the outrage?
Allow me to speak as a victim/survivor of childhood sexual/domestic abuse and currently trying to survive domestic violence as well as survive AIDS. I am an adult white male, for those who may care to know. There seems to be much apathy about sexual/domestic abuse, NO MATTER whether you are male/female/black/white. I certainly am angered and confused by this apparent lack of society's concern about the pervasiveness of HUMAN ABUSE in the United States. My own family and friends seem to have no idea what to say to me when I convey to them my own private experiences/hell.
If you are a victim of abuse you can seek help, legally and psychologically. However, I believe the current outcry over Mr. Vick's alleged involvement regarding animal abuse should be obvious: Animals cannot call 911, cannot seek psychological support, and are basically defenseless against the monsters (of the human variety) who mame, torture, bludgeon, drown, and kill them.
Need any more be said??
On a positive personal note, may I say I am proud of YOU Mr. Smiley for your personal accomplishments, and hope some day to have the honor of meeting you in
person to say GREAT JOB and keep on keepin' on. It would also be an honor to hear you speak should you be in the St. Louis area. Thanks again.
Hey Mr. Smiley, It has come
Hey Mr. Smiley,
It has come to my attention that a miscarriage of justice is currently being administered in Jena, LA. Can you look into this to see how credible it is and if so I think this is something worth featuring.
Thank you in advance FOCAT.
http://www.colorofchange.org/jena/main.html
Where is our own outrage at
Where is our own outrage at what's going on in our own communities? Never mind if it does not get the same coverage in the [white] media. Mike Vick aside (and fighting dogs is in my opinion cruel), however, the same can be said for boxing and mixed-martial arts some of whom die, and there is not outrage.
I'm about to go on a tangent: When will we be so outraged with the lack of education, the wanton violence, immoral morals and broken homes in our own communities that we come together. Blacks are disgustingly stuck on white as if the white man had an answer to our problems and even if he did - one, we're not going to get it and two, there is more than one way to skin a cat.
Get unstuck on white and get stuck on black. Insulate our communities, nurse and heal our communities. I think that the intent of integration was good, but I feel that it is more negative than good for the time. Our core strength is taken away by constantly trying to keep up with the Joneses and trying to explain this and that to the Joneses as if we could not exist outside of the Joneses.
When the core is strong AND STABLE then we can venture out to the integration piece. Let America know that a attack on one black person is an attack on all. Shoot, you attack an American ally and there are possible consequences. Why can't we take that approach with our own?
Sadly, until we not only get it but act on it - we are no better than a cotton-picking Negro that longs to be free.....waiting for the white man to tell us to put one foot in front of the other to escape or one hand in front of the other to fight.
You know Tavis-there is no
You know Tavis-there is no outrage for human life or rape and things that hold a higher value concerning human life. People (animal activists) protect dogs' rights more than human rights and that's ridiculous. Michael Vick is being crucified for a possible - not yet proven act by the animal rights people and others. There was this program that aired two weeks ago, I can't remember exactly the name of this program, but there was this white man admitted how he loves dog fighting and the things he had done-like shooting the pit bull in the head and killing them if they didn't meet his standard requirements for fighting. This man talked of heinous acts as the animal activists call it-he had done. Now Tavis here is the kicker, this sport is dominated by whites not blacks that have been doing this kind of bull crap for years and it has been known but was there outrage...NO! Another thing that bothers me about these dog activists is where is the outrage when these dogs are put to sleep when they can't find someone to adopt them? Is that not murder? Give me a living break-with these double standards. There should be lawsuits flooding the courts with this kind of injustice that dominate America when it comes to injustice.. Where are the lawyers? Michael Vick doesn't deserve this kind of treatment and I will pray for my favorite quarterback... We should be ashamed as people to put dog life over human life... and here is the dumb excuse that they come up with - dogs can't protect themselves - we can't be talking about the pit bulls. Babies/kids can't protect themselves either but we don't see picket signs flowing over America on their behalf when one is killed or raped... America's way of thinking is insensitive and polluted when dealing with human rights/life... When will America ever come to the knowledge of truth? It makes you weigh the Master/Bachelor degrees to common sense and it looks as though common sense triumphs every time. America needs a course on common sense-oops sorry that can't be taught..